Chinese Democracy

Could local Falun Gong allegations of organ harvesting become a thorn in Beijing's Olympic crown?

Published: Sep 26, 2007

FIGHTING BACK PEACEFULLY: Using Independence Mall as a symbolic backdrop, local Falun Gong practitioners spread their message of human-rights atrocities allegedly committed by the Chinese government, including the persecution of members and harvesting of their organs after execution.

FIGHTING BACK PEACEFULLY: Using Independence Mall as a symbolic backdrop, local Falun Gong practitioners spread their message of human-rights atrocities allegedly committed by the Chinese government, including the persecution of members and harvesting of their organs after execution.

: Mark Stehle

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When Jeff Kline's mother was diagnosed with end-stage liver cancer in 2003, doctors told her there was nothing they could do. There wasn't time for conventional treatments, and her age and type of cancer made her ineligible for a transplant. At 59, with no hope of getting a new liver, she was given less than two months to live.

But in the course of his work developing Web sites for nonprofits in Philadelphia, Kline came across a human-rights organization that described allegations of organ harvesting in China. Ironically, that site offered Kline hope. Desperate and curious, he went to Beijing, where a hospital initially rejected his plea for an organ donation because he was a foreigner. He returned to the U.S., started the online search anew and found a Taiwanese man with whom he arranged a meeting in Shanghai. The man worked for an official company that arranged transplants in China for people in Taiwan.

Three weeks later, after signing contracts, taking out a mortgage on the house to cover the $100,000 fee, and sending her overseas to a Shanghai hospital, Kline's mother had a new, functioning liver.

"After my mother's transplant, I went in chat rooms to talk to people about it," says Kline*. "I started receiving hate e-mails accusing me of 'complicity in murder.'"

Little did Kline, a social activist against the death penalty, know that the decision landed him in the middle of a growing international issue: Protestors across the globe claim the Chinese government has targeted members of dissident groups for arrest and, in some cases, execution, after which their organs allegedly have been harvested for transplants.

Among those groups is the Falun Gong. As the 2008 Beijing Olympics approach under the microscope of a human-rights campaign against China's government — a recent UPI/Zogby poll found that 59 percent of Americans support using the Games as a way to shine light on China's poor human-rights record — the Falun Gong, being persecuted by the government of the People's Republic of China (PRC), has taken to spreading the word about these alleged atrocities. Locally, they're doing so on Independence Mall.

Organ trafficking has evolved into a global issue, as waiting lists continue to grow and developing nations offer organs and operations at deeply discounted prices. Currently, 6,750 patients are waiting for an organ in Pennsylvania; only 975 have received an organ this year. Meanwhile, 42 percent of eligible Pennsylvanians are registered as organ donors, but few have discussed the issue with their families, which can cause problems if donors haven't made their loved ones aware of their wishes.

Ten years ago, the Bellagio Task Force — a consortium of doctors, social scientists and human-rights activists — examined the ethical issues underlying harvesting organs from executed prisoners. It concluded: "The notion that someone on death row can give meaningful consent to a procedure — particularly when death row is a miserable hovel in a local jail and the prisoner is kept shackled — is in itself very difficult to accept." Today, nations are considering options to prevent their citizens from obtaining organs abroad.

When Kline's mother received her liver in 2003, the persecution of the Falun Gong had been ongoing for four years. While it was old news that organs in China came from executed prisoners, it was unthinkable that China's poorly funded health-care system would use a spiritual group to supply its growing economy of transplant tourism.

Master Li Hongzhi, a former grain clerk and army musician, started Falun Gong in 1992 to practice Qigong, a traditional Chinese art practiced through five basic movements, combining breathing, stretching and meditation. Qigong has three main tenets: truth, compassion and forbearance. Li's popularity as a Qigong master grew along with criticism of the practice in the state-run press.

In 1999, the publication of an article that was critical of Master Li sparked a protest in which more than 10,000 practitioners organized peacefully in front of Zhongnanhai, the Chinese leadership compound off Tiananmen Square. It was an audacious move. No group in the history of the Chinese communist regime (CCP) had ever petitioned at the residence of the leadership. The large numbers, and the fact that the incident occurred a few weeks before the 10th anniversary of Tiananmen Square protests, stunned the CCP, leading to the swift crackdown.

The CCP sees the Falun Gong as a threat, practitioners believe, because their numbers are too large. By their unofficial count, they outnumber the Communist party's membership of 60 million, with more than 100 million practitioners. They believe that Jiang Zemin, then-president of the PRC, ordered the persecution because Qigong undermined his control of the Chinese people's hearts and minds.

Today, due to extensive anti-Falun Gong propaganda in China, many Chinese are suspicious of the group and its purported political agenda. Allegations of torture and organ harvesting from imprisoned Falun Gong practitioners, however, have overshadowed concerns about the group's politics.

In April 2003, Canadian human-rights lawyer David Matas and ex-member of parliament David Kilgour released a report on organ-harvesting allegations titled "Bloody Harvest." It concluded that China engages in "large-scale organ seizures from unwilling Falun Gong practitioners."

Last November, China admitted that it had been using organs from executed prisoners for transplants since 1984. (While the Chinese government does not release the number of prisoners executed annually, Amnesty International calculated that at least 1,010 people were executed during 2006, a number that does not fulfill the increasing demand for organs.) Governed by a 1984 document titled "Rules Concerning the Utilization of Corpses or Organs from the Corpses of Executed Prisoners," these organs fuel a lucrative transplant economy that supports underfunded hospitals.

Falun Gong practitioners claim that the CCP deliberately targets the group for its organs to meet market demand, citing as evidence the secrecy surrounding the transplants and the fact that donors wait for recipients rather than the other way around. Practitioners also tend to be healthier because of their exercise regimen. In order to protect their families, practitioners often refuse to identify themselves once arrested, which makes them easy to "disappear."

Kline, however, is skeptical. "The Falun Gong needs more solid evidence," he says. "It is possible the group is trying to use the issue for their own freedom." So is Harry Wu, human-rights activist and 19-year veteran of China's "re-education through labor" camps, who

has spent more than a decade gathering evidence.

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When The Epoch Times,

a newspaper with local correspondents that's been branded a propaganda tool by the CCP for its critical coverage of China,

reported that 4,500 practitioners had their organs harvested in a secret concentration camp in Sujiatun, Wu sent his own team of investigators to verify the claims. While Wu writes that he is adamantly opposed to the persecution of the Falun Gong, he also feels "that the two 'witnesses' were unreliable and this story may be intentionally fabricated."

Although Falun Gong practitioners launched The Epoch Times, Stephen Gregory, chairman of the board of the English language editions, has stated that the newspaper is neither owned nor representative of the group. The paper, which was started to address "a growing need for uncensored coverage of events in China," relies on "a network of local reporters throughout the world" who are "able to provide well-sourced stories that no one else has through the original reporting." It seeks "to speak out for those who are oppressed, and cannot speak for themselves."

To date, there have been no eyewitness accounts of organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners, but as Matas and Kilgour pointed out, finding a witness is virtually impossible because victims die from the extractions and are cremated. Besides, the only other witnesses are the medical personnel performing the procedure, who are reluctant to testify. Amnesty International acknowledges that the practice of harvesting organs from death-row inmates is widely documented, but is "continuing to analyze sources of information about the Falun Gong organ-harvesting allegations, including the report published by Canadians David Matas and David Kilgour."

At least one local Falun Gong practitioner, however, is convinced. "As a doctor who has studied the evidence," says Dr. Jingduan Yung, "I'm very convinced it is happening."

On a rainy weekend in May, I went to Independence Mall and observed a Falun Gong practice. It looked similar to tai chi, except the practitioners exercised on circular blue mats with closed eyes, accompanied by a wistful Chinese melody streaming from the speakers.

Posters featuring horrific pictures of torture victims lined the sidewalk. A woman was handing out pamphlets detailing the nightmarish practices of the CCP, including harvesting organs from imprisoned practitioners. From the canopy decorated with yellow and red tapestries bearing the symbol of the Falun — the wheel of law — another young woman encouraged curious pedestrians to sign the petition calling for Condoleezza Rice to help stop the persecution against the Falun Gong in the United States and the world.

I asked who had organized the gathering, and a practitioner pointed out a middle-aged Chinese man.

"Are you the local leader?" I asked. He looked uncomfortable.

"No, just the local contact. We don't organize like that."

"How many members are there?"

"About 150."

"I read that Falun Gong is persecuted even in the U.S. by Chinese operatives. Has anyone in Philadelphia experienced that?"

"The Chinese government sends spies, yes. But no, no one has been targeted in Philadelphia."


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"Do you fear repercussions against your family back home?"

"Sometimes, my family members receive threatening phone calls." (Several other members reported this, as well, but said that hasn't influenced their decision to practice, since one of the Falun Gong tenets is truth.)

"Another practitioner told me that a spy infiltrated the group and collected information. Is that true?"

"Oh, I think she meant the group in New York, but yes that did happen. A woman spy ... she collected names of family members, telephone numbers."

"Do you fear practicing so openly in Philadelphia?"

"The Chinese government has people working for them everywhere. The spies could be here watching us right now. You never know where they might be."

The CCP's tight rein on the media and the Internet allows little news or information to filter into China about Falun Gong's status or activities abroad. Today, efforts to expose the persecution continue globally online, in the Legislatures of 60 countries, in the prisons of China and at the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia.

Local practitioners gather every weekend to counteract the CCP's representation of them as an "evil cult" by demonstrating the practice's serene and non-compulsory nature. Practitioners are free to come and go; all materials are available for free; there are no membership lists or identifiable leaders; and entire families often exercise together.

They want to show the Chinese tourists passing by that unlike on the mainland, they can practice freely in the U.S., and their human rights are respected. The backdrop of the Liberty Bell is a salient symbol attesting to their freedom.

It seems that the Falun Gong are also ubiquitous; they appear to be anywhere there might be large crowds. Whether it's an anti-war rally in Center City, or a leisurely stroll through a park, it is not uncommon to see a small Falun Gong contingent.

In Philadelphia, the group is diverse in terms of age, gender, education and ethnicity. Practitioners appeal to everyone passing by to learn about their persecution in China, but particularly to the busloads of Chinese tourists who have no access to information about Falun Gong on the mainland.

For some Chinese, seeing the group practicing peacefully in public might be shocking, since public practice by practitioners in China leads to swift arrests and lengthy detentions in the "re-education through labor" camps. In fact, a dedicated practitioner named "Sherry" said that a Chinese man once smacked her on the arm when she tried to hand him a flier.

Despite encountering disbelief and indifference, the local Falun Gong is dedicated to exposing the brutal persecution of its own members. In April, the group organized a panel on organ harvesting at the Ethical Society, which included Matas; Torston Trey, a doctor and co-founder of Doctors Against Organ Harvesting; and Erping Zhang, executive director of the Association of Asian Research and a voluntary spokesperson for Falun Gong.

One of the main organizers was Adam Welsh, a 28-year-old graduate student. About a year and a half ago, while walking through Chinatown, a woman handed him a flier about Falun Gong.

"Normally, I wouldn't pay attention to something someone handed me on the street," he says, "but the woman was so warm and genuine, and I thought maybe what she was handing me had something to do with her attitude."

He took a look at the flier describing the Falun Gong's spiritual philosophy and, intrigued, he decided to learn more. Soon, he was participating in the exercises at the Liberty Bell and over the course of subsequent months, he "started finding answers to questions I'd been asking my whole life. Things that had never before made any sense started becoming clear."

A year and a half later, the impact of his practice was so deep that Welsh changed his entire course of study to match his newfound priority of fighting the unjust persecution of a philosophy he found beautiful. He switched his concentration from philosophy of the mind to political philosophy and now plans to attend law school so that he can pursue legal action against the CCP for crimes against humanity. Welsh currently balances schoolwork with reporting for The Epoch Times about local China-related events.

Galen Chen

Galen Chen

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According to International Advocates for Justice, 50 lawsuits charging CCP leaders with genocide and other crimes have already been filed around the world. Welsh believes that "someday, the CCP leadership will be held accountable for its crimes, just as the Nazis were during Nuremberg."

Although the number of Falun Gong practitioners in the U.S. is difficult to determine, the group has been successful in creating a strong online presence through English-language Web sites and impacting Western media coverage of the movement, which has been largely sympathetic. Falun Gong has used the Internet to raise awareness, garner support, strengthen communities, counter the propaganda of the Chinese government and portray the persecution as an issue of human rights and freedom of religion.

The United States Senate and House of Representatives both passed resolutions in 2002 condemning CCP crackdowns, and practitioners have testified before Congress in hearings on human rights and trade with China. Welsh's willingness to learn and adapt, to use what's at hand to promote the cause of Falun Gong, is not unique.

Yupei Gong, a psychiatrist at a Philadelphia hospital who came from China in 1995, is interested in becoming an Epoch Times reporter so that she can raise awareness of Falun Gong's plight.

As a young child, Yupei was a "quiet, introverted idealist" who wrote literature praising the Communist party and dreamed about becoming a lawyer or reporter. But her revolutionary fervor died with Chairman Mao in 1976, leaving a huge void.

Under Deng Xiaoping, the state shifted its focus from controlling the daily lives of citizens toward economic development. No longer under total surveillance, groups and individuals began circulating articles that exposed the lies of the Communist party. Yupei, who had once been an avid supporter, felt angry and resentful.

The retreat of the party from the day-to-day affairs of the people also enabled resurgence in religious activity. While the CCP has always been uncomfortable with religious movements, it was enthusiastically supportive of the re-emergence of Qigong and its claims to improve health. The new leadership hoped that promoting the practice of Qigong might improve the overall health of the population, which would enable the state to scale back health-care costs in the future.

But after Yupei "woke up from the communist dream," she was suspicious of any belief system, especially those that made glittering promises like many of the Qigong schools, which claimed to confer supernatural powers like levitation to practitioners and to prolong life beyond the normal lifespan. On hearing these claims, she thought, "Why live longer in this terrible country?"

She then became an atheist and found solace in a system that was neither religious nor political: the English language. Perhaps it was attractive because of its novelty, but English offered an escape from the grim state of affairs in the hospitals where Yupei trained as a medical student. The lies told by the CCP about prosperity and progress crumbled in the hospital wards and the pained faces of patients who couldn't afford the astronomical costs of medical care.

The peasants who came to her hospital paid high taxes but received pennies in wages. Not being able to afford basic medical services, many of them waited till near death, gathering all of their savings in the hopes of extending their lives, or at the least, alleviating the pain.

"A man came in with end-stage liver cancer," she says. "We were learning how to diagnose then, and I had to press his abdomen and observe his reaction. I barely pressed down and I could see the agony on his face. How can I help him? There were so many of them like him. I didn't enjoy being a doctor at the time. I couldn't bear to see the patient's suffering."

The patient was just one of millions who would die from lack of access to health care. She concluded early on in her medical career that Chinese people's lives were not worth much. "When I was learning anatomy," she recalls, "we were given a fresh cadaver in the lab. I remember asking where it was from. It was an open secret that this guy had just been executed. ... Once you're a prisoner, you're less than human. They call you an enemy of the state and you have no right to appeal."

Yupei lost herself in novels, and the first one she read, the one that brought her under the spell of the English language, was Gone with the Wind, which was also Chairman Mao's wife's favorite. For Yupei, the stories, the words and the sounds of English came to "symbolize freedom and democracy."

After scoring high in a nationwide test for physicians, she secured a fellowship and moved to the U.S. in 1995 to pursue psychiatry at the age of 30. During her training, she heard about another Chinese psychiatrist in Philadelphia. Knowing that Chinese psychiatrists were as rare as blue lobsters, she was intrigued and sought him out in 2001.

She respected him and was surprised to learn about his practice of Falun Gong. He gave her a copy of the Zhuan Falun, the foundational text of the Falun Gong, which she read. Incidentally, several passages in the text state that conventional medical treatment cannot fully cure illnesses, which are a form of karmic retribution. (Li writes that "hospital treatments only defer to the remaining half of life or later those tribulations that are the fundamental cause of illnesses. The karma is not removed at all." While Li has not dictated that practitioners should not take medicine, many practitioners with long-term illnesses, like diabetes, have chosen to stop taking prescription drugs because they felt that their health improved due to their practice.)

Yupei couldn't quite grasp the Zhuan Falun, so she forgot about it and it gathered dust on her table. Some time later, her friend invited her to D.C. to see the founder, Master Li Hongzhi, speak. He warned her beforehand that people often have physical reactions after hearing the master speak. She listened to the seminar and found it "nice," but remained untouched by his words and returned home.

The next morning she woke with a headache and a stomach ache. She called her friend, who advised her to go find the dust-covered book.


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"I put the book under my pillow and fell asleep. I dreamt that someone was cleaning a dirty table over and over. When I woke up, I started reading the book and it began to make sense," she recalls. "A feeling of happiness came over me and over time, through my practice, I found the true joy of knowing what it means to be present."

She noticed that she now treats her patients differently; she is more understanding.

But Yupei's family is still in China. Since she left in 1995 — four years before the persecution started — she wasn't fully aware of the CCP's anti-Falun Gong propaganda or the fear it had created in practitioners, their families and would-be supporters.

"When I told my family about my practice, I realized how afraid they were," she says. "Their reaction was horrible. They were scared for me and for themselves."

Despite the fear and the possibility of repercussion, she has decided to be open about her practice because of the meaning it gives to her life. As a doctor, she feels particularly affected by the CCP's violence against practitioners.

"I felt numb when I first heard about [the Sujiatun concentration-camp allegations]," she recalls. "As a physician, as a person from that city, I was heartbroken."

Practicing means not only harboring guilt if anything happens to her family, but also exiling herself. But someday, Yupei says, she hopes she can go home.

Galen Chen, a Chinese refugee who now lives in New Jersey, cannot even hope to ever return to China. After the 1999 ban on Falun Gong, he repeatedly petitioned the CCP until he was put in a "re-education through labor" camp. Resisting the ban was a means of practicing the tenets of his faith.

While he knew about the possibility of detention, he felt "it was the right thing to do. Falun Gong changed my life and I wanted to live a righteous life."

During detention, he says he endured brainwashing, abuse and torture at the hands of prison guards and other inmates. Despite the pain and fear, he refused to renounce his faith, and the torture worsened. One night, guards put him between two wooden slabs and then ordered eight other inmates to stand on it and push down. He knew that if he didn't renounce at that moment, he would die. After enduring torture for almost a year, Chen surrendered.

After his release, Chen found a job with a British import/export company. A year and a half later, an American company based in Florida offered him a job because of his business contacts and relationships in China. He was able to obtain a visa, but with his Falun Gong background, there was no way he would make it past airport security. A friend arranged for an airport worker to sneak him past security, enabling his escape to the States.

Today, Chen, soft-spoken and courteous, appears healthy and a little plump. At first glance, he looks like a man who has seen few troubles.

His entire family lives in New Jersey, and they all practice Falun Gong. Authorities remained suspicious of Chen's parents after his release, even though they did not protest or practice publicly like Chen. Despite the fact that both parents used to be prominent musicians in the Central Philharmonic Orchestra, authorities planned to arrest and detain them. A serendipitous visit to his sister in the U.S. prevented them from getting arrested. They never went back.

However, to this day, Chen feels that if "I had to choose between 'live in guilty, horror and shame' or 'die upholding my belief,' I would choose the latter. But above that I choose life and demand freedom of belief, and I want the persecution to stop."

For practitioners to eliminate their karma, Master Li Hongzhi dictates that they must learn to forbear suffering inflicted by others, while not conceding their faith in the Falun Gong philosophy.

Recounting the immediate moments after his surrender, Chen says, "I was lying there like a dead fish, hearing screaming from other practitioners. I felt so bad about my surrender. I had gone through so much to keep the dignity — the pure place in my heart — so sad that I can't make it. At that moment, I gave in to evil. The mental damage continues.

"For one year, I didn't want to see anyone I knew before because before I was sent to the labor camp, I told them how good Falun Gong was," he says. "And now I didn't want to tell them that I was a coward. I lived in darkness. I want to die with belief, the best belief I found."

While Jeff Kline now acknowledges that the liver he found for his mother was likely harvested from an executed prisoner, he feels that if someone were executed solely to provide a liver for his mother, it would have been available immediately. Instead, it took doctors three weeks to locate an organ during which time his mother almost died.

His Taiwanese broker told him that sometimes people wait for months and die before an organ becomes available; this is still considered relatively short, given that in the U.S. and other Western countries, the recipients often wait for several years.

In China, Kline noted that there are cycles of availability, which may correspond to when the state conducts executions. Doctors told Kline that the date of execution was set in advance by courts to prevent hospitals from influencing when people are being killed. Hospitals find out about executions only three days in advance, during which time they do blood tests and obtain consent forms.

"The doctors did not hide the source of the organs," says Kline of an openness that made it easier for him to entrust them with his mother's life. But to him, the issue goes beyond Falun Gong's accusations. Organ donations should be the norm. "All organs should be available for donations and no one should be able to opt out, except maybe in the case of extreme religious belief. Why should people or their families necessarily get to determine what happens to their bodies when they die? There are already limits. You can't keep Grandma in the living room. What gives you or me the right to destroy our organs when they can save a life?"

Still, buying a liver in China was a last resort, after already waiting several years and visiting six transplant centers in the U.S. Instead, Kline's mother was given an extra year with her family, time that Kline will forever appreciate as the only way his mother would have been able to get to know her grandchildren.

"Some people ask me, 'How could you go?'" Kline says. "The doctors assured me that the prisoners gave consent; they produced a consent form in Chinese. Maybe the prisoners give consent because they give money to their families. ... If I knew that prisoners were being executed for their organs, I would never have done it."

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Comments

As a person who was born and grew up in mainland China, I have no doubt about the common practice of state-sponsored and covered-up organ-harvesting on prisoners and innocent prisoners of conscience like Falun Gong practitioners.

In traditional Chinese culture, donating organ is like a taboo - when people die, they want their whole body to go with them. Cutting one's body and putting one's body parts to use is considered the biggest insult to the human dignity of the deceased. Based on this traditional Chinese belief, nobody in the right mind would want to let their body be cut and organs be taken. It is a major cultural difference from the western society. Even in today's China, when people are becoming more "westernized", it is still very rare for Chinese people to go against their traditional belief to donate their organs.

So where is the supply to make China the hottest bed for transplant operations? The organs from the executed prisoners officially published by the Chinese government are extremely limited and can hardly supply a fraction of the high demand of transplant operations performed in China.

For people who grew up in ex-Soviet Union or today’s Communist China, it is not hard at all to understand how the inner workings of closed totalitarian societies solve this problem between supply and demand. In today’s China, if you believe the existence of such a consent given by people to donate their organs, Chinese people who have lived through and witnessed more than a half century’s Chinese Communist Party’s history of lying and terror would laugh at you: – everything in China can be faked: power milk for babies, food, toys, toothpastes, tires – the recent massive recalls of poisoned Chinese imports in US is a excellent testimony to how believable the Chinese communist regime is.

Investigation phone calls made into Chinese hospitals to inquire about “Falun Gong’s organ” have also generated undisputable strong evidences for anybody who is willing to believe the facts, no matter how hard the facts are found to believe:

http://www.zhuichaguoji.org/en/index2.php?option=content&task=view&id=175&pop=1&page=0

History repeats itself: nobody during the WWII was willing to believe or accept the fact of genocide of Jewish people inside the concentration camps. But it was a fact. Nobody was willing to believe that evil did exist on this free land of America until the 9.11 terrorist attack happened.

When “Made in China” products are threatening the very lives of the children and families here in America, how much more evidences do we demand in order to wake up from the rosy day-dreams about Communist China? Yuping Gong is a smart Chinese intellectuals - it didn’t take her very long to be disillusioned in Chinese Communist Party. Now it is time for all of us to wake up from the “China illusions”. Read Nine Commentaries:

http://ninecommentaries.com/

James Lee from Philadelphia
by James Lee on September 27th 2007 2:21 PM

Jeff Kline has nothing to worry about.

Falun Gong's nefarious "organ harvesting" allegation has been discredited by undercover investigation conducted by US State Department as well.

And Stephen Gregory is been less than truthful when he states Epoch Times has no association with Falun Gong. A simple non-profit search will show the money trail between Epoch Times with various Falun Dafa Associations.
by Charles Liu on September 28th 2007 1:15 AM

References:

1) US State Dept. secret investigation:

http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006&m=April&x=20060416141157uhyggep0.5443231&t=livefeeds/wf-latest.html

http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/RL33437.pdf (section CRS-7)

2) non-profit declaration from two Falun Dafa associations(Form 990, Page 2, Part III c):

Southern USA Falun Dafa Association. $10,350 were given to Epoch Times in 2002, $22,700 in 2003, $14,750 in 2004:

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2002/760/692/2002-760692185-1-9.pdf
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2004/760/692/2003-760692185-1-9.pdf
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2004/760/692/2004-760692185-1-9.pdf

Falun Dafa Association of New England. $57,609 were spent on computer and print media, $97,755 in 2003, $116,823 in 2004:

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2002/043/576/2002-043576893-1-9.pdf
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2003/043/576/2003-043576893-1-Z.pdf
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2004/043/576/2004-043576893-02038ba1-9.pdf
by Charles Liu on September 28th 2007 2:06 AM

Charles, where can we find the reports on State Department's undercovered investigation and statement to discredit the organ-harvesting on Falun Gong practitioners?

I just went to the State Department's website and found the newly released 2007 Report on International Religious Freedom.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2007/90133.htm

Here is State Department's report on the persecution of Falun Gong:

"The Government continued its repression of groups that it designated as "cults," which included several Christian groups and the Falun Gong. The Government has never publicly defined the criteria which it uses for designating a religious group a "cult." Falun Gong practitioners continued to face arrest, detention, and imprisonment, and there were credible reports of deaths due to torture and abuse. Practitioners who refuse to recant their beliefs are sometimes subjected to harsh treatment in prisons, reeducation through labor camps, and extra-judicial "legal education" centers. Some practitioners who recanted their beliefs returned from detention. Reports of abuse were difficult to confirm within the country and the group engaged in almost no public activity. There were continuing reports that the Government's "610 office," a state security agency implicated in many alleged abuses of Falun Gong practitioners, continued to use extra-legal methods of repression."

Jennifer

by JenStewart on September 28th 2007 11:26 AM

The State Department's on-site visit to Sujiatuan Concentration Camp happened weeks (if not months) after the crimes of live organ-harvesting on Falun Gong practitioners was exposed in international media that put Chinese communist regime was under huge pressure.

Why would the criminal (in this case Chinese Communist party) want to leave all the evidences intact for the investigators (in this case, delegations of US State Department) to collect?

Sujiatuan is just one of the many concentration camp in China. Why not open all concentration camps, prisons, hospitals and facilities that detain Falun Gong practitioners for UNANNOUNCED investigation by US State Department?

The international community has called on Chinese government to open ALL labor camps, prisons, hospitals and facilitates for unannounced independent investigation conducted by international delegation team. Visa requests by members of international investigation team have been repeatedly denied.

For more info, please visit:
http://cipfg.org/en/

Lily






by Lily on September 28th 2007 1:26 PM

Jen and Lily, State Department's secret investigation preceeding the official visit is documented in the embassy report cited previousely, contrary to what Epoch Times reported:

http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/RL33437.pdf (section CRS-7)

"American officials from theU.S. Embassy in Beijing and the U.S. consulate in Shenyang visited the area as wellas the hospital site on two occasions — the first time unannounced and the secondwith the cooperation of PRC officials — and after investigating the facility “foundno evidence that the site is being used for any function other than as a normal publichospital.”

Here's another example of dishonesty by Falun Gong's newspaper Epoch Times - passing off clinicla photo of advanced breast cancer as proof of torture:

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-10-21/33602.html

The photo exhibited in this report has been reviewed by physicians and they determined it's breast cancer, contradict Falun Gong's claim:

http://rambodoc.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/is-the-falun-gong-going-wrong/
by Charles Liu on September 29th 2007 1:48 AM

A year ago, a Chinese colleague of mine gave a copy of English Epoch Times newspaper to read. Since then I've been an avid reader of the Epoch Times (http://en.epochtimes.com/)

The paper definitely has the most in-depth coverage on Falun Gong and issues that embarrass the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). I can understand why the Epoch Times is attacked by CCP who often labels it as "Falun Gong newspaper": if it were not for the existence of Epoch Times, we would never have the opportunity to hear an alternative story about Falun Gong.

I've heard enough about what Falun Gong was from the Chinese government's propaganda. All it does is justifying the persecution, which just doesn't make any sense to me.

I am glad that finally somebody is offering another side of the story about Falun Gong. Thank you Epoch Times! Keep up your good work telling us the real story about Falun Gong and China.

I don't care to know whether Epoch Times is supported by Falun Gong practitioners or its editors & staff reporters practice Falun Gong as their personal belief - all I care is that they are doing something great by providing an alternative voice to counter Chinese Communist Party's propaganda.

If I were a Falun Gong practitioner, I would give all I have to support Epoch Times because it doesn’t shy away from covering stories about the persecution of my personal belief.

What’s wrong with Epoch Times being supported by Falun Gong practitioners?

Jason
by Jason on September 29th 2007 7:21 PM

Charles, it seems the type of research that you conduct all proves Chinese Communist Party's persecution of Falun Gong to be right. I am very concerned: your comments make me feel the anti-Falun Gong sentiments spread to US by the Chinese communist dictatorship is warranted.

Ernie from West Chester
by Ernie on September 29th 2007 11:30 PM

Dear all,

Please be aware that "Charles Liu" is an Internet blogger who has several aliases, such as "Bobby Fletcher." He does not live locally. If you search on his name and organ harvesting, you will see that he has been on a methodical campaign to poison people's perceptions about David Kilgour and David Matas' reports. He hides whether or not he is Chinese and his motivations for his campaign.

He wrote an article called "The Myth of Tiananmen Square Massacre." The title speaks for itself. He also wrote an item called "A Church in China" in which he tries make people believe that the endless volumes of reputable evidence of religious persecution in China are false.

"Mr. Liu" uses the same tactic as a criminal defense attorney defending a criminal during proceedings in which there is substantial and credible evidence. He tries to cast doubts on a few points and shift peoples' attention from the larger picture and the broad weight of evidence.

For instance, "Mr. Liu" states that the US Department of State did not find evidence of organ harvesting. That report referred to a hospital in Sujiatun. Mr. Liu failed to mention that the Chinese Government did not respond to the charges for three weeks, long enough to cover up any evidence. Then, they gave US officials a guided tour of the facility. Unfortunately, the tour was the basis of the DOS's findings.

Under close scrutiny, each of “Mr. Liu's" accusations fall apart. I ask you please not to take his propaganda seriously. He is hiding who he is, while Mr. Matas and Mr. Kilgour have spotless international reputations, vast credentials and decades of services to their fellow human beings. To read their report:

http://organharvestinvestigation.net/

I am very sympathetic about Mr. Kline’s mother’s situation. However, in 2006, a British reporter brought a hidden camera into a Mainland transplant center and had a very different experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXzMQ7j3K8

Myself, I live in Philadelphia and am employed in human services, helping the disabled. My wife and I have both practiced Falun Gong for more than six years and have benefited tremendously. It’s foundational principles are Truth, Compassion and Tolerance. After about just seven weeks of doing the exercises, I was cured of chronic back problems I had for more than ten years. It’s free to all…you can practice your whole life without being asked for a cent. To learn more about it, you can visit:

www.falundafa.org

phil randell
philadelphia
by phil randell on September 30th 2007 12:36 AM

Here is the actual report "Bloody Harvest" by Hon. David Kilgour and Mr. David Matas from Canada:

http://investigation.go.saveinter.net/

As the author indicated, they first started with trying to "disprove" the claim since as they said, "The allegations, if true, represent a disgusting form of evil which, despite all the depravities humanity has seen, are new to this planet. " But unfortunately, all the investigation they conducted, proved that the mass organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners IS happening and more than that, the "business" is controlled by the Chinese military.

There are some other reports and thesis by professionals in the medical field which echoed the points conveyed from the Canadian report.

The shame is, while the persecution of Falun Gong and other horrible human rights crimes are happening in China, and China is about to host the 2008 Olympics. The human rights crimes and the Olympics cannot co-exist. As Americans, we already started to see the problems from China that is affecting our lives, like lead toys, poisoned toothpaste, etc. All the problems boil down to China’s disrespect of human rights. I’m afraid that if we engage with China without principles (an example is the Internet censorship the 4 Internet companies started to do in China), we are on the wrong side of history, and we will have to pay back what we have done. Let's be clear about China's potential harm to the world, and pay attention to the human rights abuses, and press China to give up Communism and give back the human rights to the people.
by jiaqi on September 30th 2007 1:07 PM

The more comments that I read, the more thought-provoking the article seems to me. I am wondering if CityPaper would like to hold an open forum discussion to inform and inspire further understandings about issues centered around the "Chinese Democracy": human rights in China, Falun Gong, 2008 Beijing Olympic Games, poisoned Chinese products, huge trade imbalance with China ... How should we respond to these issues? What can we do to help make the changing China move in a positive direction in order to become a benign partner to the global community?

With the Department of Transportation's recent announcement of US Airways awarded a new route between its Philadelphia hub and the Chinese capital city of Beijing (the daily service to China will begin in 2009), it is an opportune timing for us to gain deeper insights about China. An invitation to this forum should be extended to "Mr. Charles Liu or Bobby Fletcher".

by Shawn on September 30th 2007 7:01 PM

Citypaper, please note commenter Phil Randell is not only a Falun Gong disciple - Randell is actually a staffer of Epoch Times:

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-9-17/59834.html

Appearantly Epoch Times have no answer for the facts presented, such as misrepresenting breast cancer photo, and ignoring State Dept's secret investigation weeks prior to the 3/21 open visit, they are sending cyper-ops to conduct smear campaign.

BTW, this is not the first time Epoch Times reporters have resorted to personal attack when their propaganda is exposed, as I have networked with other bloggers who have been victimized by personal attack like this:

http://falungongpolitics.blogspot.com/2007/04/epoch-times-reporters-gone-wild.html

Let the world witness what Falun Gong is all about.
by Charles Liu on October 1st 2007 1:50 AM

I am troubled by Charles Liu's reasoning.

In this country, people are entitled to the freedom of belief. I am sure CityPaper has employees with religious beliefs like Christians, Catholics or even Falun Gong. One can be a CityPaper staff reporter and a Christian or Falun Gong practitioner at the same time. No one has the right to attack CityPaper based on their employees' personal beliefs.

The fact that Epoch Times is singled out for balant attack based on their employees' personal belief in Falun Gong is alarming.

Epoch Times staff report Mr. Phil Rendell is being attacked here for his personal belief in Falun Gong.

Chinese Communist Party and its secrete agency is attacking Falun Gong, a personal belief of more than 100 million people from around the world.

Just like Hon. David Kilgour and David Matis, Mr. Rendell doesn't hide his identity - despite the personal attack against themselves, they are standing in the sunshine, defending the basic human rights for millionsof Falun Gong practitioners being persecuted in China.
by Jason on October 1st 2007 11:47 AM

Jason, I am troubled by your personal attack that is without foundation.

- I merely pointed out the irony that while Randell accuses me, he was less than truthful with his identity as reporter for Epoch Times.

- Randell also ignored the fact my blog profile is open to the public. After all that where he got my list of blogs and my blog handle.

- This is not the first time Epoch Times reporters have reorted to personal attack. Matter of fact such mob mentality and MO was so prevelant with Falun Gong in China, it contributed to their final act of collective political suicide.

While I do not agree with the Chinese government’s crack-down on Falun Gong, many of us in the West are not aware of Falun Gong’s controversial history in China.

What we have here is tame compare to what Falun Gong had done in China:

http://exposingthefalungong.org/fgban01.html

"The group’s success in China can be credited largely to its favorable reports but its downfall was triggered mainly by its militancy against critics."

Above blog is research from a San Fracisco man who’s parents nearly died from refusing medical treatment after being brainwashed by Falun Gong.
by Charles Liu on October 1st 2007 12:28 PM

I found the following articles on the relationship of the human rights abuse in China and the harmful products from China are alarming. These are good think-tank articles on the US-China policy:

Made in China
The Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118420252485564055.html?mod=opinion&ojcontent=otep

A Shining Model of Wealth Without Liberty
The Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/18/AR2007051801640.html


The Arsenal of the Iraq Insurgency: It's made in China
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed080707b.cfm/

The House Resolution H.RES. 610 use the Olympics as a leverage to press China to improve its human rights:

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the United States Government should take immediate steps to boycott the Summer Olympic Games in Beijing in August 2008 unless the Chinese regime stops engaging in serious human rights abuses against its citizens and stops supporting serious human rights abuses by the Governments of Sudan, Burma, and North Korea against their citizens.

The Olympics, apparently will be used by China to show its totalitarian power. At the same time, Olympics provides a once in a lifetime opportunity to put enormous pressure on Beijing that it cannot dismiss easily as it has with other U.S. entreaties to join the international community of civilized nations. More people’s attention to China and support in initiatives like Resolution 610 will make the difference. Believe or not, the issues of China will surface more if we don’t pay attention to the human rights crimes happening there.







by jiaqi on October 1st 2007 2:13 PM

jiaqi, nothing you cited here proves the live organ harvesting allegation that has been discredited by multiple undercover investigation conducted by US State Dept., as well as long time Chinese dissident Harry Wu.

What about the examples where Falun Gong passing off breast cancer photo and autopsy photo as evidence of torture and vivisection?
by Charles Liu on October 1st 2007 7:54 PM

Wow, what a spirited conversation.

As far as “Charles’” concern about me being an Epoch Times staffer, I have written 19 pieces for the Epoch Times during the past three years. None of the articles or editorials were about Falun Gong It’s very, very part time work. : ) As I stated, I am employed in human services , primarily helping the disabled. Prior, I worked as a reporter for an upstate NY newspaper chain, so it’s easy for me to contribute.

I responded to “Charles’” as an individual on behalf of freedom of belief and those who are being tortured in China. Those who understand the professional ethics of journalism understand that I did not discuss the Epoch Times, a minor aspect of the CityPaper article, to avoid the appearance of bias. I used my real name to allow people to research me if they wish. Since the Epoch Times has been brought up, I will address the distortions. First, please note:

- “Charles” still has not disclosed his motivations for his postings. If an article about organ harvesting appears anywhere in the world, within hours he usually posts his distortions. Why is he doing this? How does he have so much time to do so? When the Philadelphia Ethical Society hosted a forum on organ harvesting last April, he wrote to them directly. They forwarded his email to another local practitioner, and that is how I already knew of him.
- He did not dispute any fact that I had written about him. He does have a blog, but to further distribute his distortions about persecution in China. H never reveals his motivations.
-He won’t go near the main content of the Matas and Kilgour report or the BBC report or any other hard evidence.

-Regarding the Epoch Times: it was started by private individuals who were aghast by the persecution of Falun Gong and other spiritual and religious groups in China. I believe most of the founders were Falun Gong practitioners, and so are most who contribute articles. Stephen Gregory, the chairman of the board has stated that the ET is not owned by Falun Gong, nor does it represent the spiritual path. That is correct. Those who own and manage the ET only represent themselves, not the entire 100 million people who practice Falun Gong across about 70 countries.

The main point: the Epoch Times is not a “Falun Gong newspaper.” It is a broad-based media outlets that does what all other mainstream media outlets do. In addition, they give a voice to those who have none in China. The Mainland is George Orwell’s “1984.” The Chinese Communist Party owns every media outlet in China. They can suppress or fabricate any story they wish. Falun Gong practitioners do their best to practice truth, compassion and tolerance. Who better to be involved in the media?

At this point, I will not address any more of Mr. “Liu’s” allegations. He is very skilled at obfuscation. He distorts facts, takes them out of context or repeats others’ propaganda. You see, to an extent, even I am giving him what he wants. Notice we are not talking about organ harvesting or the brutality in China. As I previously wrote, he is the author "The Myth of Tiananmen Square Massacre." To me, it is clear whom he represents.

Again, on this topic, I invite all again to read/view:
http://organharvestinvestigation.net/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXzMQ7j3K8

Regarding Falun Gong:
-Prior to 1996, the Chinese governments extolled Falun Gong because as it spread, the county’s health care costs kept going down.
-Li Hongzhi, the Teacher of Falun Gong has been twice nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.
-Falun Gong has been awarded numerous awards and proclamations by governments, associations and groups across the globe. We are completely peaceful and genuinely try to improve ourselves each day.
-We have stood up to a long-standing and brutal regime.
-Most practitioners experience great improvements in health and mental well-being. Everyone can decide for himself or herself if they want to practice. People are free to come and go, there is no membership, and you can practice without spending a cent.

As far as Charles: I bear him no ill will. I truly feel sorry for him. I am a deeply spiritual person; I believe we gain for the good we do, and have to pay for our misdeeds. Going on a campaign to suppress the truth about such utter brutality…it’s a huge debt. I hope he can turn his life around. Most people have the capacity for good.

Charles, if you ever do come to Philadelphia, please feel free to stop by our practice site on Market Street between 5th and 6th Streets and say hello. I am there most Sundays.

Phil Randell
by phil randell on October 1st 2007 8:21 PM

Minor correction:
I remembered that I did contribute to a May 16, 2005 article about World Falun Dafa Day. The rest of the articles were not about the practice. They ranged from an article about seasonal affective disorder, to local politics, to a movie review about "Hotel Rwanda."

:) phil
by phil randell on October 1st 2007 10:34 PM

In addition to being discredited by undercover investigations conducted by US State Department and long time Chinese dissident Harry Wu, David Kilgour's Falun Gong report and the live organ harvesting allegation he's promotion, has been discredited by US congressional researchers Thomas Lum and Emma Ashburn.

In a brief critical of China titled "The Collateral of Suppression", written for Senator Dianne Feinstein, member of US Congressional Executive Commission on China (CECC), congressional researchers Emma Ashburn and Thomas Lum were quoted. Here's the relevant excerpt:

"Emma Ashburn, a research associate at the Congressional-Executive Committee on China (CECC), said that the Matas-Kilgour report really - offered nothing new - in terms of evidence on the matter of organ harvesting. The evidence they did collect, namely the phone calls and testimonies, were dubious in their objectivity.

Specialist in Asian Affairs at the Congressional Research Service, Thomas Lum, noted that the evidence could have easily been distorted. The individuals calling the hospitals were all affiliated with FLG, and Lum said that it is unlikely for doctors and officials working for the state to casually divulge such sensitive and damaging information so easily.

Moreover, Lum’s efforts to contact both the Chinese journalist and doctor’s wife have been fruitless, as FLG members direct all communications toward these individuals and they often do not respond.

Harry Wu, a longtime political activist known for his hardline anti-PRC views, announced on August 9, 2006 that he would challenge the allegations made by FLG about targeted organ harvesting, especially the claim about the Sujiatun concentration camp. About the report, the South China Morning Post reports, “Mr. Wu, who has spent 15 years gathering evidence on the harvesting of organs from executed Chinese prisoners, said the information was based on the testimony of two witnesses, neither of whom had first-hand information. He believed the reports were fabricated.?

Wu had tried to follow up with the witnesses just as Lum had - to the same futility. “In the face of these criticisms, including from even Wu, who formerly held friendly relations with FLG, all things considered the allegations FLG has made about a targeted campaign of state-sponsored genocide are most likely untrue."
by Charles Liu on October 2nd 2007 1:58 AM

Mr. Randell,
You won my highest respect for Falun Gong!
Steve
by Steve L on October 2nd 2007 8:58 AM

Glad that I had another opportunity to witness how Falun Gong responds to ugly attack with peace, compassion and dignity.
by Jerry Goodman on October 2nd 2007 9:11 AM

I am from Beijing. I escaped China after Tiananmen Massacre. When Tiananmen Massacre happened, I was there. I saw the bloods, bullets and dead bodies all over... But after the Chinese communist party quickly cleaned up the scene, they told the world "we didn't fire even one bullet. We didn't kill even one person". This is Chinese Communist Party.

Tiananmen Massacre was put in front of the whole world through live TV broadcast. (late on Chinese Communist Party said those footage were all fabricated by anti-Chinese western hegemonists to deceive people. America is the leader of the western hegemonists. Our school textbooks for children taught us to hate America because it is the leader of the western hegemonists. But when I came to America, I like America very much)

The crimes of killing Falun Gong practitioners were conducted in the darkest place, outside of the reach of western TV camera.

If you think Chinese Communist Party will make the evidence of organ-harvesting readily available and easily accessible to you, you must be willing to believe Bin Laden can easily tell you where those hidden al-Qaeda camps are and how to trace weapons of mass destruction.

When 9.11 terrorist attack happened, Chinese Communist Party's newspapers applauded the victory of "Hero Bin Laden" over America - showing pictures of brainwashed Chinese people clapping hands to celebrate the terrorist attack.

I feel very sorry for American people and government: they don't speak Chinese language and don't understand Chinese Communist Party Culture. They just use their own criteria to measure Chinese Communist Party - failing to understand the evil Chinese Communist Party is beyond human comprehension, especially for people who grew up in western free society.

A person living in a human environment can not understand the nature of beast.

Sorry if my comments are offensive to some of my fellow Chinese. Hope you understand that I love China, but not Chinese Communist Party.

I really hope American government can realize Chinese Communist Party is 100 times more evil than Bin Laden.

If you support Chinese Communist dictatorship, you are hurting 1.3 billion Chinese people.

by Zhang Xiao on October 2nd 2007 10:00 AM

There has been many reports about Falun Gong practitioners being beaten and Epoch Times newspaper being stolen and destroyed by agencies of Chinese Communist Party on American soil. If such things can happen in America, one can imagine to what extent the state-sponsored genocide of Falun Gong in China could be.
by Jonathan Wang on October 2nd 2007 10:30 AM

The facts against Falun Gong's live organ harvesting allegation just don't stop.

In addition to being discredited by:

- Secret investigation by US State Department
- Undercover investigation by Chinese dissident Harry Wu
- The Kilgour report discredited by congressional researcher Thomas Lum and Emma Ashburn

I have personally verified misrepresentation in the Kilgour report.

Specifically, photo of Mr. Wang Bin in the Kilgour report, Appendix 20 Case 1. It is in reality an autopsy photo, contrary to Falun Gong's claim.

Two physician reviews contradicted Falun Gong's claim. Even according to Falun Gong's own evidence, an autopsy was performed as part of Mr. Wang's murder investigation held by local authority.

Another photo that is widely mis-used by Falun Gong is of Mr. Liu Yufeng, it too does not prove vivisection. In reality these autopsy photos prove the opposite. The Chinese government was not complicit and investigated the deaths of citizens in police custody.

In conclusion, writing an allegory of "Schindler's List" is not the way to examine China's human rights record. If we in the West can not be precise with our accusation, only resort of nefarious indictment - why should anyone take the issue seriously?
by Charles Liu on October 2nd 2007 12:44 PM

"The Mainland is George Orwell’s “1984.” The Chinese Communist Party owns every media outlet in China. They can suppress or fabricate any story they wish."

A) Practising FLG doesn't automatically make you a China-expert and give you the right to point fingers

B) Most Chinese can see through the PRC's propaganda, despite what you think. Just because FLG is critical of the PRC doesn't automatically make it a credible alternative.

"-Li Hongzhi, the Teacher of Falun Gong has been twice nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize."

http://www.rickross.com/reference/fa_lun_gong/falun249.html

When the Mercury News asked the Bay Area legislators whether they knew about Li's views on homosexuals and race before they signed the letter, three said no.

She subsequently rescinded her nomination, writing to the Nobel Institute that while practitioners deserve freedom of speech, belief and assembly, ''Mr. Li has made statements that are offensive to me and are counter to many of my core beliefs.''

"-Falun Gong has been awarded numerous awards and proclamations by governments, associations and groups across the globe. We are completely peaceful and genuinely try to improve ourselves each day. "

http://www.icsahome.com/infoserv_articles/rahn_patsy_falungongbeyondtheheadlines_abs.htm

Patsy Rahn states they "are documents routinely obtained by groups from public officials in the US for public relations purposes" and may be used to mislead people in China into believing "that the American government supports Master Li and his Falun Gong practitioners."
by A Paulson on July 8th 2008 11:04 AM

"Tiananmen Massacre was put in front of the whole world through live TV broadcast. (late on Chinese Communist Party said those footage were all fabricated by anti-Chinese western hegemonists to deceive people. America is the leader of the western hegemonists. Our school textbooks for children taught us to hate America because it is the leader of the western hegemonists. But when I came to America, I like America very much)"

Sorry, but the Cultural Revolution ended 30 years ago. The mass Chinese aren't the gullible idiots you claim, and most are capable of seeing the truth.

"If you think Chinese Communist Party will make the evidence of organ-harvesting readily available and easily accessible to you, you must be willing to believe Bin Laden can easily tell you where those hidden al-Qaeda camps are and how to trace weapons of mass destruction."

"Evidence" on China's supposed "organ harvesting camps" are as credible as those on Iraq actually having WMDs in 2003. But of course, if you're telling lies against an already unfavorable opponent, lies usually are taken as truth.

"When 9.11 terrorist attack happened, Chinese Communist Party's newspapers applauded the victory of "Hero Bin Laden" over America - showing pictures of brainwashed Chinese people clapping hands to celebrate the terrorist attack."

Absolute nonsense. Numerous Chinese nationals also died in the attacks, and have helped in the recovery effort. You just proved that you're the only one here using a tragedy to promote your own political agenda.

"I feel very sorry for American people and government: they don't speak Chinese language and don't understand Chinese Communist Party Culture. They just use their own criteria to measure Chinese Communist Party - failing to understand the evil Chinese Communist Party is beyond human comprehension, especially for people who grew up in western free society."

Funny considering that America is one of the most anti-communist, conservative nations in the world. If anything, those critical of the CCP heavily outnumber those that supports the CCP.

"Sorry if my comments are offensive to some of my fellow Chinese. Hope you understand that I love China, but not Chinese Communist Party."

If you love China so much then why don't you stay and make it a better place, instead of running off? Most nations became democracies by the works of people within, not ones conspiring with foreign governments.

"I really hope American government can realize Chinese Communist Party is 100 times more evil than Bin Laden. "

Talking about a government that willingly wage wars for oil and torture POWs in secret prisons, you're wasting your time.

"If you support Chinese Communist dictatorship, you are hurting 1.3 billion Chinese people."

Critising FLG doesn't automatically make one a supporter of the CCP. China deserves a real alternative, not religious fanatics. The world isn't a black-and-white place.
by A Paulson on July 8th 2008 11:34 AM



 
 
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